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Edition William G. Vicars, Ph.D. MCSE, MCT, MCP+I, A+, Network+, EdNet |
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Opening "Chat Log Session 3" DrVicars: What time do you all have? Gwen: 8:55 eastern Lii: 6:57 KC: 6:53 Sandy: 8:57 eastern Gwen and I better synchronize :-) DrVicars: Thanks, we will begin in about five minutes :) Monica: Hello. I can't believe I made it online in three tries or less :-D Gwen: time zones will vary a few minutes according to location, it only took me 40
minutes to KC: By solar clocks. Lii: I got online in just two minutes! Tigie: I got on right away. DrVicars: Okay then lets get started :) DrVicars: I will present the agenda soon. DrVicars: For now, could you please let me know how your homework assignment went. Lii: It was easy to retrieve. It was very informative as well. :) DrVicars: You were to read about the history and purpose of ASL, The NAD, and
Pidgin. KC: I'm with Lii Jessie: Hi all Sandy: Homework went well - especially enjoyed the graphics. Gwen: had some trouble with accessing due to traffic, the material is excellent Sandy: I sent an e-mail to your artist -the art really assisted in describing the signs DrVicars: Welcome everybody here is our agenda for tonight: DrVicars: First we will cover last week's homework, then any questions related to
homework, DrVicars: So if there are no important comments at this point, let's get
into it. What is the Sandy: National Association for the Deaf DrVicars: Good, can hearies joint it? Monica: yes DrVicars: Right. All you need is the membership fee. Why join? You
can get their newspaper. Tigie: I read their newsletter/magazine at the library. DrVicars: Smart girl. Next question, "Who was the person that went to France?" Sandy: Gallaudet DrVicars: Yes! Whom did Gallaudet bring back? Sandy: Clerc DrVicars: Right again! DrVicars: What is "pidgin?" [many answered, "A combination of two languages."] DrVicars: Okay, so what is PSE, anybody know? Sandy: pidgin sign english DrVicars: Is it a language? Tigie: yes Monica: yes Sandy: yes but no rules KC: (like ebonics) DrVicars: Heh, DrVicars: Depends on whom you talk to. Tigie: :-) Sandy: q DrVicars: GA Sandy Sandy: If there are so many forms of PSE, how do people communicate who try to use it? DrVicars: Let me comment, PSE is NOT a language. It is a "communication
system." Some PSE is a "contact language," but most linguists will tend to say it is not a
language in the same Sandy: Contact? DrVicars: It is used to bridge the gap between hearies and deafies when
they are together. I Tigie: doesn't offend me DrVicars: Anyway, a contact language is for those times when two different language
speakers KC: Is it the language interpreters use? DrVicars: Interpreters use a wide variety of systems including SEE, PSE, ASL, and other
I don't do much interpreting because of my hearing impairment, (you've heard of the
blind Here in the in the Northern Utah area I see a lot of PSE. Which brings up an interesting point: If you ask a typical Deaf person (here in Utah) what he signs, he will tend to respond,
"ASL." It is true that as a Deaf person gets out in the world his signs tend to become more
ASL-like, Sandy: So, would people well "versed" in ASL be pretty understanding as we
learn and bridge DrVicars: Oh yes! They are generally very nice about it. Many deaf are what
I call "tri-lingual." Sandy: :-) Art: Cool Monica: Like going to a foreign country and having to find the ladies room...You get
the Sandy: LOL DrVicars: Yes that is correct. DrVicars: Okay any more questions or comments about PSE? Lets move on to the
family signs Sandy: son vs boy? DrVicars: Okay, "SON" combines the sign for and the sign for
"BABY." (But you don't rock Many deaf are very casual with the sign for "SON." The left arm might
just hang down instead I personally tend to hold the left arm horizontal--as if holding a baby and take the
right "b" palm DrVicars: The sign for BOY is a combination of "MALE" and
"CHILD." Show the sign DrVicars: Does that help? Sandy: Yes, thank you Lii: Yes:) DrVicars: Fine then, let's talk about homework. Next week I would like you to
have studied the DrVicars: Next week we will talk about the negation topic some of you have e-mailed me Tigie: I was wondering if Signed English and ASL use the same signs? DrVicars: Many of them are the same but there are some big differences, mostly affixes
and Initialization happens when you take one of the letters of the English gloss of the
word and use it Tigie: Like, family, class, team? DrVicars: Right Tigie, except you need to realize that many "invented" signs
that were formerly Tigie: Hmm, ok thanks DrVicars: Let me explain a bit more and see if I can make the differences more clear. Signed English is a broad term that can refer a number of different signing
systems. But in [Note: Times are changing. There is quite a bit of turnover in the dorm
counselor positions Sandy: Are more schools using signing now to teach deaf children? DrVicars: Oh yes! A major change in philosophy for most of the schools out
there. It started Now signing is becoming very popular with all the youth, and so it stands to reason
that as the Sandy: Thank goodness - what was their major objection - to the point of tying hands? DrVicars: Actually it was beyond just tying hands, it was to the point of maiming
hands. They Sandy: :( DrVicars: I'm not making that up. I have older friends who experienced it. Lii: The school I volunteer at actually uses some signs for some hearing kids who have
trouble DrVicars: That's great! Right Lii, I see lots of schools using signing with their
communicative Monica: Many schools and colleges in Florida offer signing as a foreign language! DrVicars: Good! Many of the states are offering it as a foreign language
now. Utah passed a DrVicars: :) and I agree with you KC, she is wrong! [Authors' note: "Let's not be stereotypical here--some "physically deaf"
people DO prefer to DrVicars: The Deaf people would prefer to sign and you ALL to sign :) But that
brings up an Lii: It's a fun language to learn and use. It's also a very beautiful language to watch.:) DrVicars: Yes. [Various discussion] Lii: How does one go about using ing, s, and ed endings ? Does it need to be
done? DrVicars: Good question Lii. Can I answer that next week during the grammar discussion? Lii: You bet. DrVicars: Thanks Lii Sandy: Similar question - how do we use punctuation? Just pause - other than
emphasis with DrVicars: Again a good question. Okay then, let me go ahead and answer both
questions DrVicars: "s" is a pluralization topic. You can pluralize any particular
concept in a number of DrVicars: Now, punctuation. You are right, you punctuate a sentence via your
pauses and facial DrVicars: "ing, ed, and other suffixes are not used in ASL. If I want
to change "learn" into Tigie: I've been wondering how to indicate a word is over before the next word when fingerspelling? DrVicars: Most of the time in ASL spelling is not done for more than a single word
embedded in In general if there is a concept that you need to express but you don't
have a sign for it, you "explain" it. For example: For the color "maroon," instead
of fingerspelling it, you would sign DrVicars: Anyway if I did need to indicate when one fingerspelled word stops and the
next Tigie: Do you put your hands down when you pause? DrVicars: Not unless I want the other person to start signing. <grin>
Suppose it takes you This might seem impossibly short and fast to you now, but think back to when you were
in Monica: I was able to check out video tapes from library this week. They have been a
lot of Lii: I did that, too. DrVicars: Good! You all should try that. DrVicars: Any other comments before we go to the technical session? [Various technology issues related to computers and the internet were discussed.] DrVicars: Any other questions or comments before I close?...Fine, you all have your Sandy: thank you - Jessie: thanks and have a good week Sharp: Have a great week Professor! Daniel: Until next time then...you all have a good week. Nicola: thanks a lot! Season: Thank you and everyone have a good week. Nite :) Tigie: Bye till next week Lii: All of you, have a wonderful week. See you next time. Bye:) [various discussion and signing off] Closing "Chat Log #3" |