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William G. Vicars, Ph.D.
MCSE, MCT, MCP+I, A+, Network+, EdNet
Opening "Chat Log Session 3"
DrVicars: What time do you all have?
Gwen: 8:55 eastern
Sandy: 8:57 eastern Gwen and I better synchronize :-)
DrVicars: Thanks, we will begin in about five minutes :)
Monica: Hello. I can't believe I made it online in three tries or less :-D
Gwen: time zones will vary a few minutes according to location, it only took me 40
KC: By solar clocks.
Lii: I got online in just two minutes!
Tigie: I got on right away.
DrVicars: Okay then lets get started :)
DrVicars: I will present the agenda soon.
DrVicars: For now, could you please let me know how your homework assignment went.
Lii: It was easy to retrieve. It was very informative as well. :)
DrVicars: You were to read about the history and purpose of ASL, The NAD, and
KC: I'm with Lii
Jessie: Hi all
Sandy: Homework went well - especially enjoyed the graphics.
Gwen: had some trouble with accessing due to traffic, the material is excellent
Sandy: I sent an e-mail to your artist -the art really assisted in describing the signs
DrVicars: Welcome everybody here is our agenda for tonight:
DrVicars: First we will cover last week's homework, then any questions related to
DrVicars: So if there are no important comments at this point, let's get
into it. What is the
Sandy: National Association for the Deaf
DrVicars: Good, can hearies joint it?
DrVicars: Right. All you need is the membership fee. Why join? You
can get their newspaper.
Tigie: I read their newsletter/magazine at the library.
DrVicars: Smart girl. Next question, "Who was the person that went to France?"
DrVicars: Yes! Whom did Gallaudet bring back?
DrVicars: Right again!
DrVicars: What is "pidgin?"
[many answered, "A combination of two languages."]
DrVicars: Okay, so what is PSE, anybody know?
Sandy: pidgin sign english
DrVicars: Is it a language?
Sandy: yes but no rules
KC: (like ebonics)
DrVicars: Depends on whom you talk to.
DrVicars: GA Sandy
Sandy: If there are so many forms of PSE, how do people communicate who try to use it?
DrVicars: Let me comment, PSE is NOT a language. It is a "communication
PSE is a "contact language," but most linguists will tend to say it is not a
language in the same
DrVicars: It is used to bridge the gap between hearies and deafies when
they are together. I
Tigie: doesn't offend me
DrVicars: Anyway, a contact language is for those times when two different language
KC: Is it the language interpreters use?
DrVicars: Interpreters use a wide variety of systems including SEE, PSE, ASL, and other
I don't do much interpreting because of my hearing impairment, (you've heard of the
Here in the in the Northern Utah area I see a lot of PSE.
Which brings up an interesting point:
If you ask a typical Deaf person (here in Utah) what he signs, he will tend to respond,
It is true that as a Deaf person gets out in the world his signs tend to become more
Sandy: So, would people well "versed" in ASL be pretty understanding as we
learn and bridge
DrVicars: Oh yes! They are generally very nice about it. Many deaf are what
I call "tri-lingual."
Monica: Like going to a foreign country and having to find the ladies room...You get
DrVicars: Yes that is correct.
DrVicars: Okay any more questions or comments about PSE? Lets move on to the
Sandy: son vs boy?
DrVicars: Okay, "SON" combines the sign for and the sign for
"BABY." (But you don't rock
Many deaf are very casual with the sign for "SON." The left arm might
just hang down instead
I personally tend to hold the left arm horizontal--as if holding a baby and take the
right "b" palm
DrVicars: The sign for BOY is a combination of "MALE" and
"CHILD." Show the sign
DrVicars: Does that help?
Sandy: Yes, thank you
DrVicars: Fine then, let's talk about homework. Next week I would like you to
have studied the
DrVicars: Next week we will talk about the negation topic some of you have e-mailed me
Tigie: I was wondering if Signed English and ASL use the same signs?
DrVicars: Many of them are the same but there are some big differences, mostly affixes
Initialization happens when you take one of the letters of the English gloss of the
word and use it
Tigie: Like, family, class, team?
DrVicars: Right Tigie, except you need to realize that many "invented" signs
that were formerly
Tigie: Hmm, ok thanks
DrVicars: Let me explain a bit more and see if I can make the differences more clear.
Signed English is a broad term that can refer a number of different signing
systems. But in
[Note: Times are changing. There is quite a bit of turnover in the dorm
Sandy: Are more schools using signing now to teach deaf children?
DrVicars: Oh yes! A major change in philosophy for most of the schools out
there. It started
Now signing is becoming very popular with all the youth, and so it stands to reason
that as the
Sandy: Thank goodness - what was their major objection - to the point of tying hands?
DrVicars: Actually it was beyond just tying hands, it was to the point of maiming
DrVicars: I'm not making that up. I have older friends who experienced it.
Lii: The school I volunteer at actually uses some signs for some hearing kids who have
DrVicars: That's great! Right Lii, I see lots of schools using signing with their
Monica: Many schools and colleges in Florida offer signing as a foreign language!
DrVicars: Good! Many of the states are offering it as a foreign language
now. Utah passed a
DrVicars: :) and I agree with you KC, she is wrong!
[Authors' note: "Let's not be stereotypical here--some "physically deaf"
people DO prefer to
DrVicars: The Deaf people would prefer to sign and you ALL to sign :) But that
brings up an
Lii: It's a fun language to learn and use. It's also a very beautiful language to watch.:)
Lii: How does one go about using ing, s, and ed endings ? Does it need to be
DrVicars: Good question Lii. Can I answer that next week during the grammar discussion?
Lii: You bet.
DrVicars: Thanks Lii
Sandy: Similar question - how do we use punctuation? Just pause - other than
DrVicars: Again a good question. Okay then, let me go ahead and answer both
DrVicars: "s" is a pluralization topic. You can pluralize any particular
concept in a number of
DrVicars: Now, punctuation. You are right, you punctuate a sentence via your
pauses and facial
DrVicars: "ing, ed, and other suffixes are not used in ASL. If I want
to change "learn" into
Tigie: I've been wondering how to indicate a word is over before the next word when fingerspelling?
DrVicars: Most of the time in ASL spelling is not done for more than a single word
In general if there is a concept that you need to express but you don't
have a sign for it, you "explain" it. For example: For the color "maroon," instead
of fingerspelling it, you would sign
DrVicars: Anyway if I did need to indicate when one fingerspelled word stops and the
Tigie: Do you put your hands down when you pause?
DrVicars: Not unless I want the other person to start signing. <grin>
Suppose it takes you
This might seem impossibly short and fast to you now, but think back to when you were
Monica: I was able to check out video tapes from library this week. They have been a
Lii: I did that, too.
DrVicars: Good! You all should try that.
DrVicars: Any other comments before we go to the technical session?
[Various technology issues related to computers and the internet were discussed.]
DrVicars: Any other questions or comments before I close?...Fine, you all have your
Sandy: thank you -
Jessie: thanks and have a good week
Sharp: Have a great week Professor!
Daniel: Until next time then...you all have a good week.
Nicola: thanks a lot!
Season: Thank you and everyone have a good week. Nite :)
Tigie: Bye till next week
Lii: All of you, have a wonderful week. See you next time. Bye:)
[various discussion and signing off]
Closing "Chat Log #3"