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William G. Vicars, Ph.D.
MCSE, MCT, MCP+I, A+, Network+, EdNet
Opening "Chat Log Session 4"
Daniel: Good evening everyone!
DrVicars: Good evening people :) Hi Daniel
DrVicars: What time you all have?
Daniel: I have 8:52 EST
Lii: Hi, everyone. I have 6:56 MST
DrVicars: Let's go ahead and answer a few questions before class.
T2J3: I have a question about food signs. Does cookie use a rotating letter C in
the palm of the
DrVicars: Yes that is right, you can use the letter "c" or a more relaxed "claw type" hand.
Tigie: Hello everyone!
DrVicars: Hi Tigie!
DrVicars: Let's do the agenda thing.
1) first feedback and discussion on last week's homework
2) then any questions about next week's homework
3) I have some discussion items
4) then general Questions and Answers till it's time to close.
DrVicars: So any q's about time concepts?
KC: I could not visualize "year".
Jessie: HI all
DrVicars: Okay, I'll explain "YEAR."
Hold your left "S" hand in front of your belly or chest a foot or so out,
then hold the right "S"
KC: Oh, I had it sideways, thanks.
Sharp: Hi Everyone! This is Sharp from Pompano Beach, Fl
DrVicars: Hi Sharp, Jessie, and Decca, welcome, we are just discussing various signs.
Daniel: What would be a memory reminder for "Cereal"?
DrVicars: Think of the milk that is on your chin dribbling off and you need to dry it
Daniel: Sure did, I thought it might be something like that.
[Note: The sign for "DRY" is to drag an "X" from left to
right across your lips. The handshape
DrVicars: I have an old joke for you with a Deaf twist.
Three men (a Russian, a Cuban, and a Deaf American), and an interpreter are all
on a train.
Then the Deaf American stands up, grabs the interpreter, and throws him out the window,
DrVicars: I have another one for you.
"Two deaf men are talking (signing) the first man asks (signs), "What did
your wife say when you
DrVicars: What do you think is the difference between deaf and hearing humor?
KC: All in the delivery?
DrVicars: Partly. The whole story depends on the winner. For example in
deaf humor the deaf
"One night while during their honeymoon the husband leaves the motel to go get
DrVicars: :) The deaf person won. Deaf humor tends to let the deaf person
succeed because of
Art: Instead of making fun of Swedes, for instance, they make fun of hearing people?
DrVicars: In a way yes. But there is a difference, we are talking about a
Lii: They also can laugh at themselves. That's a very healthy attitude.
DrVicars: Yes true.
DrVicars: Okay there was a logger. He went to cut down a tree. He used his ax a
DrVicars: In general, Deaf humor isn't against hearing people, it is just in
support of Deaf
T2J3: I knew deaf people who would use visual puns in ASL but I cant remember any.
Sharp: It seems to me its more of an "ignorance is bliss" situation--What you
can't hear can't
DrVicars: You know, sometimes people tell me I'm lucky because I'm hard of hearing and
Tigie: Do any deaf people think it's an advantage?
DrVicars: It depends on their upbringing. If they were raised culturally deaf then they
tend to feel
DrVicars: There is a big difference mentally and emotionally between those who grew up
Lii: I can tell you one thing. I'd much rather lose my hearing than sight or something.
DrVicars: Anyone know what Hellen Keller said about that?
Lii: No. She's been my personal hero.
DrVicars: She said something to the effect of: "Blindness separates people
I believe her statement was a lot more applicable in the "old days" than
today. Now we have
Art: Yes, I helped set up a person with cerebral palsy with one
Tigie: Did HK have to fingerspell everything?
Lii: I didn't think so.
Tigie: Instead of using ASL I mean?
Lii: I thought she used her hands to feel the letters that formed the words, which was
DrVicars: Right it was different.
DrVicars: Later she learned fingerspelling. I've even seen pictures of her
T2J3: I had deaf friends and would borrow their TTY to call other friends.
DrVicars: Anyone not know what a TTY is?
Lii: I know (sort of) what it is, but I've never used one.
DrVicars: Do you all have relay systems in your state? We do in CA
Art: MN yes
TJ: OH yes
Sharp: I'm pretty certain that we do in FL.
DrVicars: A relay service allows hearing people to call deaf, and vice versa. A
Tigie: What do the letters TTY stand for?
DrVicars: Teletype or Teletypewriter. TTY is an older term than the new term TDD.
A TDD is a Telecommunication Device for the Deaf.
The change occurred when TTYs, (which were huge mechanical monstrosities that required
Many of the Deaf did call them TDDs for a while, but I've noticed everyone is going
You might even hear the term TT out there. It is short for Text Telephone.
It never caught on in
Jessie: How do you find out if there is a relay system?
DrVicars: Try looking in your phone book under "relay services." If
that doesn't work, you
Jessie: Thanks...I think.
DrVicars: Here, I just looked up the access number for a nationwide relay service
DrVicars: Fine then now let's give out homework for next week
DrVicars: <shuffling of papers, sheepish grin>
DrVicars: You know the next two items down on the concepts list, what are they?
Monica: clothes & health
DrVicars: YES! Thanks!
DrVicars: Also there is a bit more for you I answered some of your q's about syntax via email and felt it would be good to put in the site..
[The information is provided below for your reading enjoyment...]
In American Sign Language, we have a different syntax. In general, the order of
concepts in a
I personally prefer the first version. Depending on which expert you
Tom Humphries and Carol Padden in their book "Learning American Sign
All of them are "correct." My philosophy is to do the "correct"
version that works for the
I notice that many "ASL" teachers tend to become fanatical about encouraging
their students to
Hey, that's okay for them, they have their reasons, but if you are a busy adult second
As far as a sentence without "be" verbs, the English sentence "I am a
teacher" could be signed:
[And now, back to our regularly scheduled programing]
DrVicars: That is all on my end. You have any questions about the homework?
DrVicars: GA Crazy
Crazy: I don't really understand how to sign cheese...like how to rotate?
DrVicars: You rotate the butt of the right hand on the palm of the left back and forth
as if trying
Crazy: better =)
KC: I will be at the state capital next week for a disability rights bill, will someone
log it and
DrVicars: Sure. Also I will upload it to the library. Those of you who can't
download the library
KC: Cool, thanks.
Crazy: I notice there are some other forms of sign which I dunno so do those people
DrVicars: Regarding other forms of signing: There are a wide variety of signing
DrVicars: Sometimes they have to code switch.
KC: 'code switch?'
DrVicars: to a different system.
DrVicars: People code switch when they adjust or change their current style of siging
to one of
DrVicars: For example, I might change from ASL to pidgin if a new person walks up, (and
Decca: What does SEE stand for?
DrVicars: Signing Exact English. Later some people started saying that it
DrVicars: Code switching is somewhat like when you are at a party talking to an
adult. Then a
Lii: I had a funny experience when I was doing the 1990 census. I floundered a
whole lot when
DrVicars: Good story Lii. Many of my current students take classes because of
DrVicars: I guess a moral for that story might be: "The deaf can communicate
with you if you
DrVicars: But you need to be careful about generalizing. Or I need to that
is. Sometimes it is
DrVicars: Okay we are officially in the wrap up phase of this class any thing else?
DrVicars: Let me ask you all a question. How can I improve this class?
Art: Tell more jokes
DrVicars: We can have a joke of the week.
Linda: I have no complaints.....except AOL's service problems....but that's beyond your control.
KC: I am always impressed, I wondered, how it could be done and you did it!
Lii: I agree with KC!:)
DrVicars: If I forget, then remind me about the joke. True AOL is beyond my
control. It was
Vince: Thank you. :)
DrVicars: Great. Then I will look forward to seeing you all next week. I'll
stay here and answer
[Lot's of goodbyes and "great class" statements.]
Jessie: Is there currently a sign language program on CD?
DrVicars: Martin Sternberg has one that I like. As time goes on there are more
Jessie: sounds good:)
Tigie: That would be good, I keep trying to meet deaf people to practice with, but so
DrVicars: Well anyway looks like we are hitting close to the hour so I'm calling it a night.
Jessie: Good night
DrVicars: Ask me next week Tigie and I can give you some suggestions how to meet them.
Vince: au revoir
Tigie: OK G'night
Crazy: thanks so much =) good night
DrVicars: SK SK
Closing "Chat Log #4"